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Aught3ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 4290Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 amLocation: New Zealand Gender: Male

Post Bill Nye to debate creationist

Richard Dawkins refuses to give creationists the publicity by debating them. What do you think of Bill Nye's decision to take on Ken Ham? Nye's goal seems to be to bring light to the fact that AiG is getting all sorts of tax breaks from Kentucky to build their museums of ignorance but since AiG is struggling to raise enough funds for the new Ark Encounter project, perhaps this is bad timing on his part?

Bill Nye Explains Why He's Doing Debate On Creationism (VIDEO)
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Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:10 pm
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InfernoContributorUser avatarPosts: 2298Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:36 pmLocation: Vienna, Austria Gender: Cake

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Agreed on the "bad timing" part. Nye's intentions are noble and I guess he'll do all right (though: does he know their tactics?), but if he'd done nothing the ark project would've imploded. Nye is inadvertently helping Creationists raise money. (Ticket sales, DVDs, etc.) AronRa commented on that a while back.
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Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:16 am
he_who_is_nobodyBloggerUser avatarPosts: 3485Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:36 amLocation: Albuquerque, New Mexico Gender: Male

Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

I agree 100% that it is bad timing on Bill Nye’s part. However, I do think it is a great thing that Nye is taking creationists head on. I agree that an actual scientist (such as Dawkins or Tyson) should not waste their time with creationists, but Nye is not a scientist, he is a science popularizer. Nye seems like the perfect person to be debating creationists on stage, he is articulate and smart on his feet. I also believe that Nye does know their tactics (he has spent the last two years debunking pseudoscience on several news programs). As I have said before, this is the first time I can think of when the evolutionary proponent (Nye) had far more charisma than his creationist counterpart (Ham). I am excited and believe Nye is going to bring the house (creationist museum) down.
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Aught3ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 4290Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 amLocation: New Zealand Gender: Male

Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

Public debates of even settled issues seems ok to me. Not everyone gets it and they deserve to hear about the science over and over again in many different ways. I suppose some people might take it as a sign there is something legitimate to debate but those people are already deeply embedded in the creationist mindset. IMO, these people shouldn't be a reason not to debate.
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VisakiUser avatarPosts: 812Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pmLocation: Helsinki, Finland Gender: Male

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What I really want to know is are they splitting the profits 50/50 and do both Ham and Nye have full rights to the footage from the debate?

Apart from that I think it has upsides and downsides. It promotes the Ark Encounter when they have just days to collect million or they will go bust, it'll help the Creation park financially and publicly and it'll give that lying sheister Ken Ham credability that he does not deserve one carat of. But on the other scale we have the fact that millions of people actually are YEC in the US and it is a real issue in the mind of the public (even when it's settled in the sciences) and it has to be dealt with.

All in all I think that this debate is a bad idea. For "us" that is. Great idea for Kenny Ham. Get Ham and Nye together in some university auditorium (or a similar venue) and make sure the fees are split down the middle and I could be for it.

Oh and The Thinking Atheist did a podcast about the topic this week which I think is worth watching. He has a few people known to the Atheist community to give their opinion in the matter (including "our own" AronRa).
Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:29 am
Dragan GlasContributorUser avatarPosts: 3190Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:55 amLocation: Ireland Gender: Male

Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

Greetings,

I think Nye should have insisted on a neutral (non-religious) venue with profits going to one or more charities agreed by both parties.

That way, he'd still get to educate people without benefitting AiG and/or creationists in general.

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Post Watch Bill Nye debate Ken Ham on Feb. 4 at 7pm Eastern

http://news.cincinnati.com/viewart/2014 ... innati-com

Details in the link above. Bill Nye will be at the Creation Museum in Cincinnati to debate Ken Ham. I was concerned that I'd have to pay to see it, because I don't want to give them money, but it looks like there will be a live feed of the debate.
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Cheers for the link, DZ. I've merged your thread with an earlier one; hope you're not offended ;)
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DepricatedZeroChat ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 1333Joined: Fri May 28, 2010 11:43 amLocation: Cincinnati, OH Gender: Pinecone

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Not at all :) didn't see it here (Admittedly I didn't check this particular board, either)
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I have my creationist bingo card ready.
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Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

he_who_is_nobody wrote:
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I have my creationist bingo card ready.


It will be a short game.
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Aught3ModeratorUser avatarPosts: 4290Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:36 amLocation: New Zealand Gender: Male

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Anyone going to watch this? I think I will probably pass as I have zero respect for Ken Ham's intellectual ability. At least some creationists have the decency to admit the fact that evolution is mainstream science unlike Ham who'd rather spout nonsense about how his opponents don't understand real science. He just looks like a ridiculous buffoon to me.
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If I am free, I will watch it. However, I am sure it will be on YouTube soon after. Thus, watching it live is not a priority in my opinion.
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"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:15 am
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1256Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

I was very skeptical about this debate before it happened, but I have to say after having watched the debate, I think Bill won on every imaginable point. He came off much more reasonable, engaging and substantive. He was much more on the offensive than I had expected and kept bringing it back to the fundamentals.

I also think Ham really shot himself in the foot when he admitted there was no possible way he could ever be persuaded that he's wrong, while in contrast Bill Nye came straight out and listed ways in which the evidence could persuade him otherwise. Way to lose all the moderates Ham.

Bill also had some pretty strong "rethorical devices" worked into his method. He kept referring to it as "Ken Ham's creation model" and science as something we do "outside in the real world". The obvious implication that Ham's a fringe lunatic irrelevant to real science. Which he is, so score another one for Bill Nye. Interesting moments was when Hamface kept regurgitating that "there's a book out there that tell us where it came from" every time Billy Nye referred to some mystery in science. It just drew laughter from the audience, and I don't actually think they laughed because they agreed the answer was reasonable, but because it was ridiculous.

Bill fucking Nye ftw!
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Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:56 pm
RumraketUser avatarPosts: 1256Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:49 am Gender: Male

Post Re: Bill Nye to debate creationist

Impressively, according to "Christian today" readers, Bill Nye annihilated Ken Ham:
Who won the debate tonight? Creation vs Evolution
Ken Ham 8%
Bill Nye 92%
Total votes: 14690

:shock:

Way to go Bill!
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